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#305 Republicans Brainwashed by Trump? So, Truth Isn’t Truth? (Part 4)

26 Sunday Aug 2018

Posted by Jordan Abel in Benefits of Revolution, Lessons of Revolution, Societal Issues, Stupid Is as Stupid Does

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Readers: this blog is set in the future (sometime after the year 2020). Each entry assumes there has been a 5th revolution in the US — the Revenge Revolution. More about the Revenge Revolution and author, Entry #1.  Most entries are formatted as conversations. Characters appear in a number of entries, with many entries building on previous conversations.

Occasionally I break from the normal formatting and do a “sense check.”  Auditing one’s own work is problematic but I try to be objective.  Entries #300 and #301 are the most recent “sense checks.”  Your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.  Thanks for your time and interest…and comments, please.

Scene: Jordan’s office, Washington, DC.  Jordan having coffee with Walt, a friend from college days.  They just returned from getting a coffee refill.  Conversation begins entry #302.

Baldheaded ManWalt:  “I’ll tell you another event that penetrated the brainwashing cap.  In fact, I still shake my head when thinking about it.”

Jordan:  “Which was?”

Walt:  “Remember when Rudy Giuliani, then Trump’s attack dog, stated on ‘Meet the Press’ that ‘truth isn’t truth’?”

Jordan:  “Remember it well.  I did not see the live broadcast…think I was doing something important like playing golf…but saw the video several times.”

Walt:  “Did you see the look on the host’s face?  What’s the guy’s name?”

Jordan:  “Chuck Todd.”

ConfusedWalt:  “That’s it.  Todd looked more dumbfounded than a deer in headlights.  Then he tried to let Giuliani correct his mistake.  But Giuliani in true Trump fashion, refused to admit an error and proceeded to straight-jacket himself.”

Jordan:  “You know Giuliani was right…if you add just one word.”

Walt:  “Not sure what you mean.”

Jordan:  “Giuliani’s right if you state it as, ‘Trump’s truth isn’t truth.’”

Alarm BellWalt:  “Hadn’t thought of it exactly like you phrased it but Giuliani’s comment was so stupid an alarm bell went off in my head.”

Jordan:  “So you had two Trump-related brain-penetrating epiphanies in a couple of weeks.”

Walt:  “Like I said before we went to get more coffee, after Trump’s order to revoke security clearances for high-level people who could protect the country, I began asking myself, ’Self, what have I been thinking?’  Then other Trump actions started to migrate from logical to questionable.”

Jordan:  “You think Giuliani’s ‘truth isn’t truth’ could have accelerated the questioning?”

Alternative FactsWalt:  “Probably.  But I’m still embarrassed to talk about my brainwashed state.  I mean, when I was brainwashed, Kellyanne Conway’s claim about ‘alternative facts’ never caused me to pause.”

Jordan:  “Not to press too much but didn’t you think Conway’s statements were pure BS?”

Walt:  “No.  I even repeated her stuff in discussions about Trump.  One time while having coffee with a friend of mine the conversation turned to Trump.  He made an assertion and I responded that you have your facts and I have mine.”

Jordan:  “How’d he respond?”

Walt:  “After I repeated the claim about alternative facts, he said I was brainwashed, then left the restaurant.”

Jordan:  “Ever get back together for coffee?”

Walt:  “The next time he asked me to provide a data source supporting some Conway-like claim I’d made.”

Jordan:  “And…?”

PinocchioWalt:  “I asked him if he was calling me a liar.  He asked again for the source of information.  I repeated my claim he was calling me a liar…then I left.”

Jordan:  “Seen him again?”

Walt:  “No.  Maybe I should call him.  He was right all along.  But see, that’s another example of being so embarrassed about past behavior.  I mean, what do I say?”

Jordan:  “Why not call him for coffee and let the conversation take its course.”

Walt:  “Good idea.”

Jordan:  “Were there any other what you might call epiphanic events that caused you to think you might have been brainwashed?”

Walt:  “The incident might not qualify as an epiphany but one that I still find humorous.”

Jordan:  “There was humor in the Trump fiasco?”

Walt:  “Well, guys probably think it’s funny.  Not sure about women.  Most guys never progress beyond sophomoric humor.”

Jordan:  “I’m game.  What was the event?”

Walt:  “Remember when Trump’s so-called confidants started to flip?”

Jordan:  “Started with Michael Cohen.  What’s so funny about Cohen flipping?”

Nat'l EnquirerWalt:  “Nothing.  What still makes me smile was when the owner of the National Enquirer was granted immunity.”

Jordan:  “You mean…?”

Walt:  “Yep.  Who ever thought a Pecker could be granted immunity?  Had we known a pecker could be immune from prosecution our college life could have been a lot more fun!”

Jordan:  “That is pretty funny…and so sophomoric.  Seriously, anything else stand out?”

WhyWalt:  “Once the brainwashing cap got penetrated, I started to look at the flood of Trump’s tweets a lot more critically.  What I noticed was that virtually every tweet laid the blame for a problem on someone else or on some Federal agency.  Trump seemed to forget he was in charge.”

Jordan:  “So, now you’re beginning to view Trump a bit more objectively.  What happened to your political position?  Did you start to shift left?  If so, how far?”

Walt:  “I shifted to probably right center.  Still basic conservative values but with a social conscience.”

Jordan:  “Reminds me of how Bush43 tried to position himself – compassionate conservative.  Then he got steamrolled by the neocons and lost focus.”

Walt:  “Guess my ‘right center’ is more like pre-Reagan Republicans.  That was before the party got pushed way right and eventually just refused to work across the aisle.  I know the Democrats seemed to shift to but at one time the Republicans and Democrats actually worked together to get things done.”

TurtleneckJordan:  “OK, now we’re in a new era.  Trump is gone and the country has gone through the Revenge Revolution.  And you’re more open to crossing party lines.  What about other former Trumpsters?”

Walt:  “Some will never get it.  Remember after Nixon resigned, there was what, 20-25% of the populace still supported him?  So those people will stay in their Trump cave.  But the rest of us need to start working together to avoid becoming a banana republic.  People don’t think the US can slip that far but it can.”

Jordan:  “I’m delighted you want to make the government work again.  Now, what’s next?”

(Continued)

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#304 Republicans Supporting Trump Brainwashed? How One Supporter Was Cured. (Part 3)

19 Sunday Aug 2018

Posted by Jordan Abel in Back Asswards Thinking, Causes of the Revolution, Personal Stories

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Readers: this blog is set in the future (sometime after the year 2020). Each entry assumes there has been a 5th revolution in the US — the Revenge Revolution. More about the Revenge Revolution and author, Entry #1.  Most entries are formatted as conversations. Characters appear in a number of entries, with many entries building on previous conversations.

Occasionally I break from the normal formatting and do a “sense check.”  Auditing one’s own work is problematic but I try to be objective.  Entries #300 and #301 are the most recent “sense checks.”  Your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.  Thanks for your time and interest…and comments, please.

Scene: Jordan’s office, Washington, DC.  Jordan having coffee with Walt, a friend from college days.  Conversation begins entry #302.

(Last comment, previous entry.  Jordan:  “Walt, have you ever studied how people think after they’ve been brainwashed?”)

Walt:  “Are you implying that I’ve been brainwashed?”

BrainwashedJordan:  “Just asking a question if you knew the logic stream of people who have been brainwashed.”

Walt:  “Who else is in the office? Gelly still here?”

Jordan:  “No, she’s got a meeting in another building and will be out for at least an hour.  Why do you ask?”

Walt:  “Because I’ve never told anyone…well other than the psychiatrist.  Sure Gelly’s not here?  And you’re not taping this conversation, right?”

Jordan:  “She’s not here.  I saw here leave.  And, no, the conversation is not being taped.  What’s the big deal?”

Baldheaded ManWalt:  “OK, you’re right.  I was brainwashed by Trump.  It’s embarrassing to talk about it.”

Jordan:  “I can understand that.  How’d you figure it out?”

Walt:  “I don’t remember exactly.  It’s not like I woke up one morning and said, ‘Gee, I’ve been brainwashed.’”

Jordan:  “Well, what did happen?”

Walt:  “The realization was gradual at first, almost like baby steps.  I do remember being taken aback in late summer 2018 when Trump started to yank security clearances from former high-ranking people who’d been in the FBI, CIA and NSA.”

Trump KingJordan:  “What about Trump yanking the security clearances made you take pause?”

Walt:  “I remember seeing an interview with John Brennan…might have been Clapper but I think it was Brennan.  Anyway, the guy said a security clearance was not for the benefit of the individual but for the benefit of the country.  I’d never really thought of it that way.  And here goes Trump acting like a king and taking away security clearances from people who know more about threats to national security than he does.”

Jordan:  “And…”

Walt:  “…and I kept asking myself ‘Why take away the clearances?’  Then I began to think it was his fragile ego was hurt when some of these guys raised questions about the Trump Administration’s policies. It began to bother me that Trump’s actions to satisfy his ego could really hurt the country.”

Jordan:  “After that revelation, did you change your mind about a conspiracy among the US national security agencies to get rid of Trump?”

Ping PongWalt:  “Not all at once.  I bounced back and forth.  It was as if I was playing ping-pong by myself.  One day a conspiracy theory; the next day no conspiracy.”

Jordan:  “But each day you were less and less supportive?”

Walt:  “Gradually I became convinced there was no conspiracy.  One day I said to myself, ’Self, Trump is the problem, not the FBI or CIA.”

Jordan:  “Then what”

Walt:  “When I started to put claims of a conspiracy theory into a different context, then a lot of other claims Trump was making started to fall apart.”

Jordan:  “How long did it take you to change your mind?”

Humpty DumptyWalt:  “Once I got though the conspiracy analysis, then like the baby who now knows how to walk, the pace picked up considerably.  And finally, Trump became more like Humpty Dumpty.”

Jordan:  “Did you talk to anyone about your change of support for Trump?”

Walt:  “How could I?  For three plus years…during the campaign and then when he was in the White House…I’d tweeted about why Trump was so, so right.  To admit I’d changed my mind would have been embarrassing to say the least.  In fact, I still can’t talk about it.  You’re the first one who knows.”

Jordan:  “Well, I’m glad we’re talking about it.  But go back to the time you really started to change.  How’d the psychiatrist get involved?”

mirror-clipart_jpgWalt:  “As I looked in the mirror, I just couldn’t believe what I’d been doing.  I needed to find out why.  What had made me act that way?”

Jordan:  “So you found a psychiatrist?”

Walt:  “I first did some research.  In fact one of the experts on behavior modification was a professor who I think you took a class from at MIT.  Ed somebody.”

Jordan:  “Ed’s class was a seminal event for me.  Very insightful and frankly, changed my life.”

PsychaitristWalt:  “Well, I poured through a couple of his books.  Then I decided to see a psychiatrist.”

Jordan:  “Good for you.  How’d you find the right one?”

Walt:  “Looked through their stated specialties and a lot about what they had studied and where they studied.  Narrowed in down to a couple and then chose the one who was more familiar with Ed’s work…and who knew him professionally.”

TurtleneckJordan:  “Walk me through how you guys worked together.”

Walt:  “First couple of sessions were really me laying out: (i) what attracted me to Trump, sources of information I used, what actions I took, etc.; (ii) how I felt when Trump took certain actions or made certain statements.  Did I always support him?  Did I have any doubts?  The sessions were background information.”

Jordan:  “Then what?”

Walt:  “Next few sessions were trying to understand how I thought I had changed.  Content was much like you and I have talked about but a lot more detail.”

Jordan:  “After you laid out all the history, what was next?”

Walt:  “The next sessions were fascinating, frustrating and embarrassing.  Some of the time we talked about how people become brainwashed.”

Case StudyJordan:  “You became your own case study.”

Walt:  “I was a case study in a course I didn’t want to take.  Anyway I really had no idea I was being brainwashed.  For a long time, all Trump’s ideas seemed to make sense.  Trump seemed so right…and everyone who didn’t support him seemed so wrong.  The world was black and white.”

Jordan:  “But somehow you managed to break out of the brainwashing.  How did that happen?”

Wall BrickWalt:  “Look, I’m no brainwashing expert but as was explained to me, there are ‘holes’ in most brainwashing caps.  If reaction to an event or an idea goes through one of those holes, it accesses the pre-brainwashed mind.  Think of it as a being on either side of a wall or maybe as separate partitions on a computer hard drive.”

Jordan:  “For you the idea of Trump using security clearances for political reasons slipped through one of those holes.”

Walt:  “Yep, and at least part of me was accessing a different partition of my hard drive.  Part of me was back to my pre-brainwashed days.”

Coffee cup StarbucksJordan:  “This discussion is absolutely fascinating…but I need a break bad.”

Walt:  “Me, too, and I could use another cup of coffee.  Now that I’ve confessed, I can quit claiming Starbucks is part of a liberal conspiracy and is just a coffee shop.  Even more embarrassing for me, I like their coffee.”

(Continued)

#303 Trump Supporters Really Brainwashed? (Part 2)

12 Sunday Aug 2018

Posted by Jordan Abel in Back Asswards Thinking, Causes of the Revolution, Societal Issues, Stupid Is as Stupid Does

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Readers: this blog is set in the future (sometime after the year 2020). Each entry assumes there has been a 5th revolution in the US — the Revenge Revolution. More about the Revenge Revolution and author, Entry #1.  Most entries are formatted as conversations. Characters appear in a number of entries, with many entries building on previous conversations.

Occasionally I break from the normal formatting and do a “sense check.”  Auditing one’s own work is problematic but I try to be objective.  Entries #300 and #301 are the most recent “sense checks.”  Your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.  Thanks for your time and interest…and comments, please.

Scene: Jordan’s office, Washington, DC.  Jordan having coffee with Walt, a friend from college days.  Conversation begins entry #302.

Jordan:  “So, Walt, how’s the coffee?”

Coffee cup StarbucksWalt:  “Great!  Where’d you get it?  Don’t tell me.  It’s from that liberal bastion, Starbucks.”

Jordan:  “Yes, Starbucks.  But why does everything in your world have to fall into a bucket?  Why do institutions have to be labeled liberal or conservative?  Starbucks is a coffee shop, not a political party.”

Walt:  “You don’t get it do you?  Or maybe you don’t want to understand.”

Jordan:  “You’ve lost me.  Understand what?”

Walt:  “Many of these institutions are part of a conspiracy.  A Few years ago that conspiracy was focused on getting rid of Trump…and was the primary cause of the Revenge Revolution.”

bang-head-against-wallJordan:  “C’mon.  Stop me from banging my head against the wall.  I admit I find your logic fascinating, even humorous at times…but your logic is also incredibly frustrating.”

Walt:  “Why so frustrating?  Seems pretty straightforward to me.”

Jordan:  “Start with the conspiracy assumption.  A conspiracy requires a group of people.  But the group is usually fairly small since it’s hard to keep a secret, even within a small group.  And now you’re talking about some conspiracy with hundreds, if not thousands, even tens of thousands of participants.  That logic does fly.”

Baldheaded ManWalt:  “But it’s true.”

Jordan:  “Just think about.  How could one possibly coordinate the activities of all these organizations, let alone people within the organizations?  As I said, Starbucks is just a coffee shop.”

Walt:  “Here’s an example.  Before the break you said we were going to discuss my thoughts on the Mueller Witch Hunt.  I know, you think it was an investigation but it was really a witch hunt.  The FBI’s behavior was a perfect example of one group that conspired to stop Trump from getting elected.  Then the FBI tried to get him out after the election.”

Jordan:  “Statements claiming the FBI conspired to elect Hillary make no sense to me.  The facts suggest the opposite.  Actions of the FBI likely helped Trump get elected.”

Walt:  “See, there you go spouting off the liberal fake news.  You need to watch Fox News and start getting the truth.”

FBI LogoJordan:  “If the FBI was trying to get Hillary elected, then why did Comey hold a press conference a few days before the election effectively reopening an investigation about Clinton that found no laws were broken?”

Walt:  “I think laws were broken.  She should have been punished and locked up.  But Comey’s real purpose in criticizing Clinton just before the election was to gain more sympathy for her…and encourage the Democrats to vote for her.”

Jordan:  “Huh?”

PutinWalt:  “Same thing with Obama.  He knew the Russians had hacked the Democratic National Committee HQ and were releasing emails to the public.  But he didn’t do anything about it.  Why not?”

Jordan:  “You tell me since the Russians were helping Trump?”

Walt:  “The Russians weren’t helping Trump.  Why didn’t Obama make any public announcement?  Because he didn’t want the make the DNC and Clinton look like they were not on top of things.  I’m telling you, Mueller should have investigated Obama and not Trump.”

ComplicatedJordan:  “Just for fun, please tell me, in Trump world, does the sun come up in the east or west?”

Walt:  “Whadda mean?”

Jordan:  “Never mind.  Back to the FBI.  Let’s turn the situation around.  Suppose the FBI had strong evidence that the RNC had been hacked and the Russians might be working with the DNC to get the Democratic candidate elected.  What would you want from the FBI?”

American FlagWalt:  “A thorough investigation.  Why should the FBI allow a foreign country, especially a known enemy of the US, try to influence the outcome of a presidential election?  If the FBI didn’t investigate, it would be dereliction of duty.  All of them should be fired…and some tried for treason.”

Jordan:  “Let me see if I understand your position correctly.  If the FBI had credible evidence a foreign country, and especially an enemy like the Russian, had infiltrated a campaign and was trying to influence the election, you’d want the FBI to pursue the investigation vigorously, right?”

Walt:  “Yep.”

Jordan:  “And it would be unpatriotic, possibly treasonous if those who had credible information didn’t pursue an investigation and prosecution.”

Walt:  “Yep, again.”

TurtleneckJordan:  “Yet, when the FBI had very credible evidence that the Russians had infiltrated the Trump campaign and the campaign was likely conspiring with the Russians, you supported the Republicans in Congress who objected.  Those same Republicans thought the investigation should be stopped.  Why did you support them when you just said there should be an investigation?”

Walt:  “You don’t listen very well do you?  I told you, the FBI favored Clinton and therefore the FBI evidence and Mueller investigation were a ploy to get Trump out of office.”

Jordan:  “How did you know there was no evidence if you wanted to stop the investigation before it was completed?”

Walt:  “Because Mueller never disclosed publicly any evidence…until issuing that phony report.”

Jordan:  “Even though releasing some of the evidence might have compromised the investigation and might have violated some national security laws, you thought it should be released anyway.  And because Mueller didn’t release the evidence, you think it was likely fake.”

dude-with-questionWalt:  “Not likely fake, it was fake.  At least now you’re starting to understand.”

Jordan:  “Walt, have you ever studied how people think after they’ve been brainwashed?”

#302 Trump Supporters Really Brainwashed? (Part 1)

05 Sunday Aug 2018

Posted by Jordan Abel in Back Asswards Thinking, Causes of the Revolution, Lessons of Revolution, Societal Issues

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Readers: this blog is set in the future (sometime after the year 2020). Each entry assumes there has been a 5th revolution in the US — the Revenge Revolution. More about the Revenge Revolution and author, Entry #1.  Most entries are formatted as conversations. Characters appear in a number of entries, with many entries building on previous conversations.

Occasionally I break from the normal formatting and do a “sense check.”  Auditing one’s own work is problematic but I try to be objective.  Entries #300 and #301 are the most recent “sense checks.”  Your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.  Thanks for your time and interest…and comments, please.

Scene: Jordan’s office, Washington, DC.

Jordan:  “Gelly, nice to have you back from vacation.”

092615_2031_Characters7.gifGelly:  “Nice to be back.  Had lots of fun but sorta, kinda missed the office.”

Jordan:  “Glad to hear that.  See you got new reading glasses while you were gone.  Look very nice.”

Gelly:  “Thanks.”

Jordan:  “Anything special on the calendar today?”

Gelly:  “Nothing special except your visitor.”

TurtleneckJordan:  “Right.  Walt’s coming over sometime late morning.”

Gelly:  “How’d he get the name Walt?  That’s not his real name is it?”

Jordan:  “No.  The guys in the fraternity nicknamed him Walt.  And I might have been the culprit.  He was always dreaming about some big project…like Walt Disney.”

Gelly:  “Hope you two have a good visit.  Let me know if you need anything special.  We can order in lunch if you want.”

——– Walt arrives ———-

Walt:  “Jordan, great to see you.  Been a while.”

Jordan:  “Nice to see you, Walt.  Last time was a couple of years ago when you guys came to Charlotte for the 4th of July.”

Baldheaded ManWalt:  “We had a great time and the fireworks at the club were sensational.”

Jordan:  “What brings you to town, anyway?”

Walt:  “Trying to help salvage the right-wing of the Republican Party.  Since the Revenge Revolution, the right-wing has been in shambles.”

Jordan:  “You’ve got a tough job ahead of you.  With that in mind, I have what may be a sensitive question.”

Walt:  “You, concerned about being sensitive?  Since when?  Go ahead.  We’ve been friends for too long to worry about sensitive questions.  Besides, if I don’t like the question, I’ll just go run and hide.”

Jordan:  “Think back to the 2016 presidential campaign.  Did you originally support Trump?”

trump-scowlWalt:  “I thought Trump was a blowhard.  More of a flake real-estate salesman than a conservative Republican.”

Jordan:  “But as the other candidates dropped out and the field narrowed…”

Walt:  “…as the field narrowed, his appeal increased.  Truth be known, I would have voted for a yellow dog rather than Hillary.  I just didn’t like her.”

Jordan:  “OK, so you committed to a Republican candidate no matter what.  That candidate turns out to be Trump, who you thought was a flaky real-estate salesman.”

Walt:  “Guess so.”

Jordan:  “Then Trump gets elected.  Were you pleased with the results?”

Walt:  “I was pleased he was trying to make changes.  You know, make the Federal government more efficient.  And I liked the idea of draining the swamp.”

Jordan:  “Were you pleased with his choices for cabinet secretaries?  Think about Flynn, Price and Pruitt, for example.  And what about bringing in the Trump family as close advisors?  Were you satisfied with everyone’s experience in running large, government-like organizations?”

Ends Justify MeansWalt:  “Guess I never really considered the experience.  Was more intrigued with the idea of change than the quality of the people involved or what they had to do to implement change.  Sort of the ends justifying the means.”

Jordan:  “What about Trump’s attacks on the media, the FBI, the CIA…the entire intelligence community?”

Walt:  “As time went on Trump’s claims about fake news and liberal bias in the media seemed to be proved right.  The more I studied, the more I thought the FBI was really after him.”

Jordan:  “As part of your ‘studying’, did you ever step back and ask yourself, ‘Gee, what Trump is claiming to be true is contrary to just about everything I’ve learned over the years.  Wonder why I am changing my views?’”

Walt:  “Didn’t ask any question exactly like that.”

Jordan:  “Aside from Trump and his tweets, where’d you get your news?”

Walt:  “Why do you care?  Why the interrogation?”

Jordan:  “No interrogation.  What I’m trying to understand is why…and how…Trump gained such rabid support among hard-right Republicans when many on the right originally considered him a Democrat.  I find the shift in attitude fascinating…and troubling.”

fox-news-logo bWalt:  “We’ll talk about troubling later.   As I said, I did my own studying trying to understand if Trump was real or not.  I spent lots of time watching Fox – mostly Hannity and O’Reilly before he got unfairly railroaded out – and I’d catch Limbaugh on the radio a couple of times a week.  The more I listened to these guys the more convinced I was Trump was on the right track.”

NYT LogoJordan:  “Did your studying include reading newspapers – let’s say the Miami Herald, Palm Beach Post, Washington Post, NY Times?”

Walt:  “On rare occasion the Wall Street Journal.  The Times?  Never.  Run by a bunch of liberal NY Jews.  Oops, sorry.  But you know what I meant.”

Jordan:  “Actually, I don’t know what you meant.  Give me an example or two.”

Walt:  “Take Paul Krugman in the Times.  He’s way too liberal and always trashed Trump.”

Jordan:  “Krugman is an op-ed columnist for the NY Times, not a reporter. The editorial and news gathering sections of the Times are completely separate.”

Walt:  “I have no proof and therefore, to me, there’s no separation.  If what he writes is in the NY Times, it means the NY Times supports it.”

Jordan (shaking his head):  “Any other sources of info?”

Walt:  “A few conservative websites that have their act together.”

Sarah Huckabee CartoonJordan:  “If I understand correctly, your primary sources of info were Trump, Trump’s tweets, probably the White House press secretary – Sarah Huckabee – and a couple of commentators on Fox.  No print media other than an occasional read of the Journal.  And no other networks such as PBS, CBS, and say MSNBC.”

Walt:  “You got it right.  All those non-Fox sources are too liberal…and fake.”

Jordan:  “OK.  Why don’t we take a break, get some coffee and, then, if ok with you, discuss the evolution of your views about the Mueller investigation.”

Bagel BillWalt:  “OK, but you have to buy coffee…and I want a bagel, too.”

Jordan:  “You do know those liberal NY Jews are the source of those bagels, right?”

(Continued)

 

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